Re: Flanders Red by JZ

Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:56 am

I brewed this one not long too long ago and racked it onto the bugs and oak chips in the secondary. It was pretty sweet still so there should be plenty of food for the bugs. My pellicle is just starting to form. Only the third time using bugs and the first two were fruit lambics. So it will be interesting to see how this turns out in a year or two.
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Re: Flanders Red by JZ

Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:52 pm

dresselbrew wrote:
kcosen2112 wrote:^I think you should bring a sample next time you're in American Brewmaster.

Besides, I let you try my Brett beer! :D :jnj


As soon as it's done you'll get a bottle I promise. And wasn't that an award winning brett beer? Congrats.


Yep. Gold medal at the NHC 2nd round.

Definitely looking forward to your beer. :jnj
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Re: Flanders Red by JZ

Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:27 am

Hey, been listening to some of the podcasts, but it's my first time posting on the forums here. I think this thread is a good place for my question.

On Sunday I tried to brew JZ's Flanders red as my first "mostly-grain" batch (only the pilsner was extract, so this was my first time mashing with more than a couple pounds of grain). Maybe it was a bit ambitious for a big change to my process, but if you're not brewing the beer you want, why bother?

Unfortunately, I totally lowballed the efficiency (I guessed around 50% on the stovetop, and got more like 65%), and overshot the OG - it's somewhere around 1.072-1.075 instead of just under 1.060. I tried to keep the mash temp high, but who really knows how that ended up... Readings were all over, from 152F to 160F, I think because I didn't stir enough. With smaller mashes it was fine to just let it sit there (reminder to self: stir more next time).

Anyway, it's happily fermenting away with US-05, and I plan on pitching WLP655 Belgian sour mix for the second stage, but I'm not sure when to do that. Based on my experience with this yeast, I'd expect it to get down as far as 1.015, which is too low.

1) Do I need to let the first stage ferment out, and give the yeast another week to clean up, settle, etc. before I rack to secondary? I'm wondering if it's better to let it go and adjust with some boiled DME or sugar, vs. taking daily readings and immediately racking when it's near my target. That could be as soon as tonight (high krausen this morning), though it's probably a couple days off - either way, it doesn't seem like much time in primary.

2) Having way overshot the OG, should I adjust my target gravity for the second stage? I want it nice and tart, but I want to make sure it finishes dry. I'm wondering if I'm better off adjusting the target up to 1.025 so it's sour enough to balance the high gravity, or going for the recipe's 1.020 so it finishes low enough. I'd prefer not to wait years and years.
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Re: Flanders Red by JZ

Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:50 am

Although I've been to Flanders, every time I see this thread in the index, I think of Homer Simpson's neighbor as a homebrewer.

-Motor

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Re: Flanders Red by JZ

Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:06 am

Motor wrote:Although I've been to Flanders, every time I see this thread in the index, I think of Homer Simpson's neighbor as a homebrewer.

-Motor

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Re: Flanders Red by JZ

Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:22 pm

Time to resurrect this thread... :pop

Bottled my flanders red after 18 months in glass with the Raj Apte wood dowel method (minus woodchips). The beer has strong acetic (vinegar) like qualities up front on the pallet, then fades quickly without much else for flavor. Body is very thin. Overall, disappointed with the outcome.

I'm not giving up yet, I'll see how it "brightens" up after carbonation in 2 weeks, hopefully bring out some of the horse blanket character ....and I just started another flanders this past weekend with straight roselare.
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