Buying a Nitro system...help!

Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:19 pm

So I want to add a nitro system to my kegerator. I went to one of my local gas supply stores to inquire about a bottle, as I'd heard that they only do tank exchanges. I figure why not just buy one from the source if the price is right. The guy wants to sell me a HUGE tank...like 70 cubic feet! Is it me or is that a tad extravagant? Seems to me that a bottle like that would be more at home in a pub, not at home. Am I wrong? The tank is $200, $45 to fill, fees for testing, plus I still need a regulator to fit this monster, then a faucet, shank, etc. I know this is gonna be a moderate expense, but isn't a tank from NB or B3 or whatever sufficient? I'm only gonna run one faucet, so I'm thinking a smaller tank would be OK. Anyone out there with experience that can help a brother out??
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Re: Buying a Nitro system...help!

Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:25 pm

A friend of my work for a gas supplier he said that they can mix the co2 and nitro in any size bottle. The trick is getting some one to order it or do it for you. As for the regulator any co2 one will work. All you have to do is change the connection style or get an adapter.
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Re: Buying a Nitro system...help!

Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:44 pm

If you go with the CO2 bottle, make sure you get a 0-3000 psi gauge. Nitrogen can be a lot more pressurized.

I get my tank exchanged at a local welding supply place. Didn't have anywhere near the problems you're having.
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Re: Buying a Nitro system...help!

Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:56 am

huskerbrew wrote: The guy wants to sell me a HUGE tank...like 70 cubic feet! Is it me or is that a tad extravagant? Seems to me that a bottle like that would be more at home in a pub, not at home. Am I wrong? The tank is $200, $45 to fill, fees for testing, plus I still need a regulator to fit this monster, then a faucet, shank, etc. I know this is gonna be a moderate expense, but isn't a tank from NB or B3 or whatever sufficient? I'm only gonna run one faucet, so I'm thinking a smaller tank would be OK. Anyone out there with experience that can help a brother out??


A "70 cubic foot bottle" has a capacity of about 0.65 cubic feet. When it is filled with gas to about 1600 psig and that gas is allowed to expand back to 1 atmosphere (at 0 °C) the expanded gas will have a volume of about 70 cubic feet i.e. the 70 number refers to the gas once it has been let out of the bottle. A 70 cubic foot bottle is (other than lab demo bottles) the smallest size made (I believe). The cylindrical part is about 30" high (valve assembly on top of that) and about 7" in diameter.

There are about 7.5 gal in 1 cu ft so that 70 cu ft will displace 70/15 = 9.3 half barrel kegs of beer if you draw them at 0 psig (1 atm) with 100% nitrogen. As a nitrogen system is likely to have a partial pressure of nitrogen of at least 2 (14.7 psig) or 3 (29.4 psig) atmospheres (to push that beer through the sparkle plate at hefty velocity) you would expect a 70 cu ft bottle to push 3 - 4.5 kegs. So no, 70 isn't that huge.

Now all this assumes that you are buying pure N2 and blending it (i.e. you have a blender which is a fairly expensive piece of equipment). Absent that you would have to arrange to have the tank filled with either "beer mix" (about 65% CO2) or "stout mix" (about 25% CO2).

You ought to be able to find a place that will give you the gas in one of their bottles, charge less than $45 for a refill and not charge you for the hydro tests.
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Re: Buying a Nitro system...help!

Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:05 pm

You got "Abco" out there? That is where I get mine from. 75% NO2 and 25% CO2.
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Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:24 pm

I got my 33 cu ft bottle from Beverage Factory.com and took it to my local gas dealer. Filled it for $15.
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Re: Buying a Nitro system...help!

Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:20 am

Most welding and some medical supply shops will sell you the tank and the gas. Not sure about your state, but in Maine you
need to get them pressure tested every 5 years at about $50 per test. My nitro tank cost me about $90 and that included
the first fill and it is about 20 for a refill. The testing and pain in the ass factor just makes it easier to buy a new tank every 5 years
as it will only cost you about 20 more.
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Re: Buying a Nitro system...help!

Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:53 am

The hydro test is a federal (DOT) requirement. If the filled bottle is to be transported over US air, road, water or rail ways it must have a hydro stamp less than 5 years old on its neck. I suppose if you agreed to use the gas right there at the shop they might overlook this requirement (but I doubt it). $50 for a hydro test? Wow! Back when I was paying for them they were only $12 but fortunately the supplier I use (Roberts) now simply does exchanges and does not charge its customers for hydro (either that or I have been awfully fortunate that I haven't had a clerk check hydro dates on any out of hydro bottles I've returned). I wasn't sure whether I actually own my nitrogen bottles or not so I had a look - emblazoned around the crown, highlighed with white paint and in half inch raised letters it says "Customer Owned" so I guess I do. Nonetheless, when I take one in they just give me a full one - presumably previously owned by some other customer.
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