Has anyone ever put a flow meter inline on their CO2 supply?

Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:40 pm

If the flow of CO2 is high I can hear gas flowing through the regulator, but if it is a really slow it is hard to hear (in the garage with traffic driving by outside, and the keezer running, and my lower intestine).

So I am wondering if a flow meter like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Oxygen-Liter-Mete ... B001QMEG9W
would show gas flowing through?

The 2 situations where I am interested in knowing if gas is flowing are:
1) do I have any leaks in the system (I spray StarSan all over and look for bubbles, but there are lots of places to develop leaks with 7 cornies and all the plumbing.)
2) is a new beer still taking on CO2? (Normally I ram a volume or 2 in via the shake method and then sit and wait, but would like to know when it has actually made it to equilibrium).

Is the rate for those 2 situations too low to show up on a flow meter like that?
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Re: Has anyone ever put a flow meter inline on their CO2 supply?

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:11 am

I've thought about this as well to detect leaks. I don't think the one you have linked (1-8LPM) would be in the right range. I use a 0-1.2 LPM for O2 and the company makes them for Co2 as well

here's one on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/DAKOTA-ACRYLIC-FLOWMETER-CO2-0-1-1-L-min-2-2-SCFH-/300308185796?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ebc342c4


But I think even 0.1-1.2 LPM may be too high of a range to detect a small leak, let alone to watch the CO2 absorption as I would think the rate would be very very small.
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Re: Has anyone ever put a flow meter inline on their CO2 supply?

Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:58 pm

Sweet, good find. Seem much more likely to be a usable range.

I am sure someone that is more knowledgeable about gas than I am might be able to tell us how much CO2 is making the move through the lines. Might be something like this:
5 gallons of new beer, that is about 19 liters (lets call it 20).
It has maybe half a volume of dissolved CO2 and we want to force it to 2 volumes.
So the deficit is 1.5 liters per liter...
So in total we will force in 30 liters.

If we have the gas turned up to 30 pounds per inch and it completes the job in 60 hours. and a train leaves Chicago traveling....wait, that is a different story.

Does that mean that about half a liter of CO2 per hour?

Good lord, looking back at this post it is quite evident that I am talking out of my ass. Feel free to list all of the clues that show that I am a dipshit.
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Re: Has anyone ever put a flow meter inline on their CO2 supply?

Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:33 am

I don't think the diffusion would be linear, the beer would probably take on CO2 quickly at the beginning and more slowly as you approach equilibrium. Also, as you approach equilibrium the regulator may shut the gas supply to your keg off when the pressure in the headspace reaches the gauge pressure, and would only resupply when the pressure drops below the dead band to allow the diaphraghm to open. So you'd only see short burts of flow as the regulator diaphraghm is open and the flow would be zero most of the time.

You can put your hand on the line and feel some slight vibrations as gas is moving in, I've been able to feel this when I couldn't hear it, but that doesn't mean the beer is at equilibrium with the headspace pressure. Another solution would be to disconnect the keg from gas and hook it up to a pressure gauge to see the internal pressure. The problem here is that you'd have to leave it alone long enough for the excess gas in the headspace (or in the beer) to equilibrate, which would take a day or so.

As far as leak detection goes, you'd need a pretty precise flow meter to detect the tiniest of leaks. You might be better off using a leak detector product intended for natural gas lines, like the one NB sells. This stuff bubbles up for even the tiniest leaks, I think it works better than Star San, although Starsan works fine for most leaks.

Another approach is to verify the system is leak free in stages. Pressurize the gas system (without kegs), turn of the cylinder and leave it alone for a day or two. If the pressure remains in the line at the same level (temp changes can throw this reading off), those lines are leak free and will stay that way unless you have to break a seal somewhere. I did this test and my regulator gauge pressure did drop overnight, but stayed stable for the next two days so I chalked it up to a temp difference. The beverage side is a little easier to diagnose, since if it's leaking you'll see liquid spilling out into the kegerator.

When you introduce a keg to the gas system there is new leak path, so it's important to do a pressure holding check on your kegs overnight after you clean them. If you can clean in place without disassembling the kegs, the risk of a new leak is lower. Poppets can be a common leak source if you are force carbing but not connecting to the beverage side yet. They tend to get jammed slightly open after removing a QD. Swabbing with the leak detector and letting it sit for 10 minutes is a good insurance check.
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