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Home > Shows & Podcasts > The Jamil Show > Saison - The Jamil Show 09-10-07

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Homebrewing Saison

Broadcast Date: 2007-09-18 03:00:00

Running time: 1:24:26

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Homebrewing beer. Saison is a wonderful, refreshing beer with spicy and fruity notes from the fermentation. Jamil and Jon discuss award winning techniques and recipes for this style. A surprise guest, Dr. Chris White shows up near the end of the show. Jamil and Chris answer yeast questions from the live listeners and discuss a number of yeasty topics for an additional 30 minutes. Thanks Chris for stopping by.

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Saison attenuation by Jim, January 19, 2010
Jamil, maybe the problem you had with attenuation with the saison yeast was because your gravity was too high to begin. Aren't traditional saisons supposed to be 3 to 3.5% abv?
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home brewer by Grant Taylor, June 13, 2010
According to Phil Markowski in "Farmhouse Ales"the original Saisons were made for Saisonniers (Seasonal Workers) who drank them while in the field. They were accordingly low strength even down to 2.5%, typically 3-3.5%. The modern day versions are typically 4.5-6.5%.The Saison Veille Provision by Dupont is 6.5%, achieving this with an original gravity of only 1.054 because the final gravity is 1004.As far as your temp fermentation guidelines Dupont ferments at 85-95 F but some others ferment lower (Pipaix at 76F)."Farmhouse Ales" mentions the use of Brett type yeasts in the old style Saisons.I may try one simple Brett yeast in the batch I'm brewing ( my first of this style). I'm thinking that the Brett will definitely dry things out. White Labs lists the attenuation of their Saison yeast (565) at -65-75%.That is way too low to get the attenuation sought for this style.The Belgium brewers of Saison typically get 90-95% attenuation. White Labs recommends using other yeast strains to finish the job.Maybe going to the higher temperatures will do it as well.I started out my current batch at 70F and am ramping it up to 75 then 80 maybe even higher weather permitting..Phil M. recommends transfering to a secondary to avoid exposure to autolysized cells should the fermentation drag on.He recommends being patient and waiting for the gravity to go down.It is mentioned that the first generation of yeast may not be active enough so you should be prepared to add something to help it.Anyway this is a very interesting beer, I just hope it tastes good.
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