Vanilla Smoked Porter

Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:33 pm

I am looking for a Vannila smoked porter recipe to brew this weekend... anyone have any favorites that they have brewed a couple of times, I know there are a couple of options with the vanilla bean addition.. and thoughts or recipes I should look at? Thank you.
Keg 1: White German Ale
Keg 2: Dogfish Head 90min I.P.A.
Keg 3: Saison
Fermenting:
1: Vanilla Porter
2: Vanilla Porter
3: Russian Imperial Stout
4: Russian Imperial Stout
5: White German Ale
6: White German Ale
7: Janet's Brown
8. Janet's Brown
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Re: Vanilla Smoked Porter

Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:47 pm

I love smoked porters, I love vanilla porters. Smoked vanilla porter? not so sure about that. If I were you I would make a smoked porter then split the batch and add vanilla to one so you don't fuck up the batches if you don't care for the taste.

I would make a robust porter using Jamil's recipe and add some smoke malt to it.

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Re: Vanilla Smoked Porter

Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:19 pm

I may just do that, I would hate to mess up a batch, stone brewing company in CA makes one, haven't looked that much into it.

But I did find this one

6lb Briess Cherrywood Smoke Malt
6lb Rahr Two-Row
1lb British Crystal 70-80L
1lb Simpsons Chocolate
1oz Chinook (60min)
1oz East Kent Goldings (5min)
.2 liquid ozs Vanilla Bean
White Labs Dry English Ale (WLP007)


OG 1.071
FG 1.021
36 IBU
6.7%

I don't feel good about this recipe, doesn't look that good at all..

That Robust Porter looks really good, I will just do that and play around with 1/4 batch or something, thank you!
Keg 1: White German Ale
Keg 2: Dogfish Head 90min I.P.A.
Keg 3: Saison
Fermenting:
1: Vanilla Porter
2: Vanilla Porter
3: Russian Imperial Stout
4: Russian Imperial Stout
5: White German Ale
6: White German Ale
7: Janet's Brown
8. Janet's Brown
Jase
 
Posts: 37
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:16 pm
Location: Longmont, CO

Re: Vanilla Smoked Porter

Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:33 pm

Actually what I would suggest is getting your smoked porter together and then play with the vanilla flavor. Buy a nice-quality vanilla extract bottle (from your local shishi market or williams sonoma). Add about an eighth-teaspoon to a bottle of your porter and drink. Add a quarter teaspon, and so on. I've been doing that with a stout I quite like, so I can figure out about how much vanilla to put into the secondary when I brew it again. As it happens, somewhere around 3/16ths of a teaspoon (about 1 mL) per 12 oz bottle is about where I like it. That works out to just about 1.7 fl oz per 5.5 gal batch, give or take. Turns out, I'll probably just add liquid vanilla extract at that dosing level at bottling time next time I brew this stuff (maybe to only half the stout) rather than mess around with vanilla beans.

That said, the next-best thing to do is split your batch, age half of it on two or three beans in the secondary, and leave the other half alone. Figure out which ratio of the two is best-tasting, and you know how many vanilla beans to add. But in my (not extensive, but not limited) experience in cooking and baking with vanilla beans there's a fair amount of variability in the quality and strength of vanilla beans. At the very least, you should measure by bean weight, rather than by number of beans, and you'll still have variability based on where the beans are from and how old they are. That's why I like the extract.

The even more heretical thing to say is that blind tastings of various vanillas in most baked applications (cookies, etc) tend to be unable to discern actual high-quality vanilla from the artificial stuff. I'd bet you could use artificial stuff here, since you're really only after the one note of *vanilla* in there (vanillin, which is an aldehyde) rather than the rounded subtle flavors that causes people to select one variety of vanilla over another. Most of that subtle stuff will get buried under your smoked porter.

Doubly-interesting, you might want to think about oaking the beer a little bit. Oak can add some vanilla flavors (which come from actual vanillin) as well.
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Re: Vanilla Smoked Porter

Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:07 am

I am thinking of using Oak, I have decided I am going to brew two batches at 5.5 gallons each, I just need to beersmith my recipe this morning to get it all together with all the changes I have made the past couple of days, I have been looking at Vanilla bean ratios, I have been lucky enough not to have an over powering spice batch so far, but I probably just jinxed myself now. I don’t like using extract at all unless it is absolutely needed, enjoy the art of it all. Aging the first one will be a must, and it makes sense to have something to work with and a structure base brew.

Thank you!
Keg 1: White German Ale
Keg 2: Dogfish Head 90min I.P.A.
Keg 3: Saison
Fermenting:
1: Vanilla Porter
2: Vanilla Porter
3: Russian Imperial Stout
4: Russian Imperial Stout
5: White German Ale
6: White German Ale
7: Janet's Brown
8. Janet's Brown
Jase
 
Posts: 37
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:16 pm
Location: Longmont, CO

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