First competition - what style catagory?

Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:34 pm

I'm about to enter my first competition and have 2 beers that I'm planning to submit. I'm limited to 1 entry per style but I'm hoping to put one in as "other eclectic" and the other as "spice, herb, vegetable" but am looking for a little advice as to which I should put where.

Beer #1 - A sweet stout with vanilla bean and coconut. (The coconut didn't really come through so I'm debating not even mentioning it)

Beer #2 - "Chocolate Oatmeal Raisin Cookie Stout" An oatmeal stout with cocoa powder, vanilla, raisins and bourbon. Yes, it tastes like cookies.

I'm thinking the cookie beer fits in spice/herb/veg due to the raisins, leaving the vanilla stout for other eclectic. Am I correct?


Thanks in advance for the help!
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Re: First competition - what style catagory?

Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:06 pm

Looking at the style guidelines it looks like both could fit into 21 spice/herb. Maybe the bourbon could go into the specialty category (23) . But I'm not a BJCP judge. Worse case scenario is that the judges will tell you you entered the wrong category. Either way you will get some useful feedback. Good luck!
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Re: First competition - what style catagory?

Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:28 pm

(FWIW, I am a BJCP judge).

I'd put the Vanilla Sweet Stout in Cat 21A Spice/Herb/Veg, and the Oatmeal/Raisin/Bourbon in Cat 23A Specialty.
Since you said the coconut is not noticeable, and Vanilla is considered a spice, it makes sense to enter it there as the "single" ingredient. The combination of of the fruit and spices and bourbon makes that a better fit in Cat 23, since there are more things going on there.

Is that Otis' recipe from realbeer, BTW?

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•23. Specialty Beer


This is explicitly a catch-all category for any beer that does not fit into an existing style category. No beer is ever �out of style� in this category, unless it fits elsewhere.

The category is intended for any type of beer, including the following techniques or ingredients:

•Unusual techniques (e.g., steinbier, ice/eis beers)
•Unusual fermentables (e.g., maple syrup, honey, molasses, sorghum)
•Unusual adjuncts (e.g., oats, rye, buckwheat, potatoes)
•Combinations of other style categories (e.g., India Brown Ale, fruit-and-spice beers, smoked spiced beers)•Out-of-style variations of existing styles (e.g., low alcohol versions of other styles, extra-hoppy beers, �imperial� strength beers)
•Historical, traditional or indigenous beers (e.g., Louvain Peetermann, Sahti, vatted Porter with Brettanomyces, Colonial Spruce or Juniper beers, Kvass, Gr�tzer)
•American-style interpretations of European styles (e.g., hoppier, stronger, or ale versions of lagers) or other variants of traditional styles
•Clones of specific commercial beers that aren�t good representations of existing styles
•Any experimental beer that a brewer creates, including any beer that simply does not evaluate well against existing style definitions
This category can also be used as an �incubator� for any minor world beer style (other than Belgians) for which there is currently no BJCP category. If sufficient interest exists, some of these minor styles might be promoted to full styles in the future. Some styles that fall into this grouping include:

•Honey Beers (not Braggots)
•Wiess (cloudy, young K�lsch)
•Sticke Altbier
•M�nster Altbier
•Imperial Porter
•Classic American Cream Ale
•Czech Dark Lager
•English Pale Mild
•Scottish 90/-
•American Stock Ale
•English Strong Ale
•Non-alcoholic �Beer�
•Kellerbier
•Malt Liquor
•Australian Sparkling Ale
•Imperial/Double Red Ale
•Imperial/Double Brown Ale
•Rye IPA
•Dark American Wheat/Rye
Note that certain other specialty categories exist in the guidelines. Belgian Specialties or clones of specific Belgian beers should be entered in Category 16E. Christmas-type beers should be entered in Category 21B (unless they are Belgian Christmas-type beers; these should be entered in 16E). Beers with only one type of fruit, spice, herbs, vegetables, or smoke should be entered in Categories 20-22. Specialty meads or ciders should be entered in their respective categories (26C for meads, 28D for ciders).
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Re: First competition - what style catagory?

Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:40 pm

BDawg's advice is sound. I'd also suggest not even mentioning things in your description that the judges won't notice. If your sweet stout has coconut but you can't taste it then don't mention it. The judges will look for it and ding you when they don't find it.
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Re: First competition - what style catagory?

Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:35 pm

I would be cautious when saying the coconut "didn't come through". Sometimes we do not achieve the desired tastes (or what our brain is telling us it should taste like) and don't percieve the ingredient. If you have had several others try the beer and didn't get it then ok, don't mention it.

BJCP Judges, for the most part, have very sensitive palates and my "get" the coconut, construe it, and judge the beer differently due to it not being mentioned.

Just a little somin, somin to think about.

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Re: First competition - what style catagory?

Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:11 am

ask bugeater if he ever entered his oatmeal cookie beer in a comp. see where he put it.
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Re: First competition - what style catagory?

Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:50 pm

Well not so sure I"m going to enter either of these beers anymore. I pulled the kegs up from the basement and found that the vanilla/coconut had no indication of either of those flavors. Added more vanilla extract and put it off to the side. Age has not done the oatmeal cookie brew any favors either. The raisin flavor has run roughshot and really dominates. Cant decide if I like it or not. I may just enter both of them anyway just to get the constructive criticism. Brewed JZ's mild from BCS today too. Hopefully it'll finish in time to enter that as well.

Thanks everyone for the feedback!
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