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 Post subject: Conical question – closed transfer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:38 pm 
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Hey BN Army,

Stupid question time! How is a closed transfer performed with the More beer conical? What type of gasket is used to push the beer from the fermenter to the keg? How is the best way to do this?

Any tips would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Alex


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 Post subject: Re: Conical question – closed transfer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:46 pm 
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Would assume you have to "back fill" the conical with CO2 as the beer exits the concial to the keg. Need something to replace the beer being transfered. Does that help?

Some advertise pressurizable for transfer and aid in trub dump when stuck.

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 Post subject: Re: Conical question – closed transfer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:57 pm 
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Yes, there is a little pop it at the top of the fermenter. I assume it's for gas.


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 Post subject: Re: Conical question – closed transfer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:14 pm 
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NMice. So you are saying there is the standard ball or pin lock style poppet nipple on top? You are set then!

I see on their website they offer the CO2 transfer option. nice.

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 Post subject: Re: Conical question – closed transfer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:21 pm 
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Can't speak to this particular fermenter but counter pressure is the way to go for sure.

Make sure the kegs are clean then completely fill with no rinse sanitizer or treat with sanitizer and then fill completely with boiled water. Complete filling is done to be sure that all air is displaced from the kegs. Then blow out the liquid with CO2 and pressurize the keg to 10 psi or so above the pressure in the conical.

Depending on the configuration of the conical you will have pressurized it through a carbonation stone or the CO2 bleed port and will be drawing the beer from a racking arm or standpipe or even from the bottom in which case you would have blown down settled yeast a couple of times.

Connect the beer out port on the fermenter to the liquid port on the keg but don't open the beer valve yet. Connect a keg filling device (http://www.pbase.com/agamid/image/122950815) to the gas port. Open the needle valve on the keg filling device and allow CO2 to escape until the pressure on the gauge reads a couple psi below the pressure in the fermentor. Now open the beer valve and close off the filling device needle valve. The filling device gauge will gradually rise and then stop. Open the needle valve again. CO2 is being pushed out as the beer is flowing in. Monitor the filling device pressure and adjust the valve so the pressure does not drop more than a couple of pounds below its peak reading. This is to minimize foaming in the beer.

The receiving keg should be placed on a tared scale before admitting beer. Use the scale reading to determine when the keg is full. A liter of beer weighs SG kg where SG is the specific gravity of the beer.

If you don't have a scale then judge fullness by placing your hand on the side or top of the keg. You will be able to feel the beer level through the thin metal. The colder the beer the easier this is to do. If the beer is cold enough you may see condensation on the outside of the keg and that makes the filling level pretty obvious (works best on kegs that are not too badly bunged up).


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 Post subject: Re: Conical question – closed transfer
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:36 am 
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Thanks AJ.

Is this same technique applied to filtering beer via a closed transfer? The source keg, which is chilled and has head pressure, can be moved from the ‘beer out’ side of the source keg, through the filter, and into the ‘beer out’ side on the receiving keg. For a closed transfer, will the keg filling device be placed on the ‘gas in’ side of the receiving keg to bleed off CO2 as the receiving keg fills with filtered beer?

Alex


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 Post subject: Re: Conical question – closed transfer
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:03 am 
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darkalex wrote:
Yes, there is a little pop it at the top of the fermenter. I assume it's for gas.



No. That "pop" is pressure release valve via a spring.

To put the comical under pressure this part is needed:
http://morebeer.com/view_product/10931/ ... sure_Gauge


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 Post subject: Re: Conical question – closed transfer
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:20 pm 
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darkalex wrote:
Is this same technique applied to filtering beer ... For a closed transfer, will the keg filling device be placed on the ‘gas in’ side of the receiving keg to bleed off CO2 as the receiving keg fills with filtered beer?


Yes.


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