Belgian (Saison) yeast for 10th Levels

Tue May 04, 2010 1:54 pm

Ok, from reading the BJCP study guide, I learned it's better to keep your yeast relatively cool until you hit the high krausen stage of fermentation to prevent off products, before you ramp up your belgian yeast.

I have an imperial dark rye saison I pitched with ~300 billion cells of 3711 starter that I had sitting in my fridge for around a week* (so not an active), it reached high krausen in about 10 hours. Can I start ramping it up now, or should I wait at least a day first? Last time I waited 2 days and I got a delicious beer with wonderful belgian esters, but I didn't think I got a really strong saisony profile (pepper and tropical fruit) that i know many brewers get from a hot fermentation regimen (mine only got it up to about 73 on the free rise before fermentation substantially slowed).

* (side note incredibly well-behaved yeast. not only does it ferment incredibly well, but even though I had to delay brew day and tossed it in the fridge for over a week, it still had well over 90% trypan blue negative cells on the count).

On another side note, despite slightly oversparging, this was one of the tastiest prefermentation worts I've ever had

OG: 1.078 (was supposed to be 72... ooops)
Calc IBU: 35

10# Weyermann Pils
1.75# Global Munich 12L
1.5# Weyermann Rye malt
0.5# Simpsons Crystal 150L
0.5oz Carafa special 2
1.5# sucrose
42g EKG 60min
28g EKG 15min
28g Hallertau 10 min
28g Hallertau 0 min
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Re: Belgian (Saison) yeast for 10th Levels

Wed May 05, 2010 3:55 pm

Every single time I have ramped that yeast up to the 80's after 48 hrs at 68 or just below, the yeast has always dried the beer out extremely low (1.001-1.002). While this works for a saison, I still desire a bit more residual in those beers than that. If I was to use this yeast again, I would not add any cane sugar or even ramp the temps as I don't think this yeast really needs either of those things to do its job well. I have never really gotten much earthiness/rusticness from 3711 as I do from 3724 even with the temp increase. Just my experiences though and maybe you will.
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Re: Belgian (Saison) yeast for 10th Levels

Wed May 05, 2010 4:57 pm

brewinhard wrote:Every single time I have ramped that yeast up to the 80's after 48 hrs at 68 or just below, the yeast has always dried the beer out extremely low (1.001-1.002). While this works for a saison, I still desire a bit more residual in those beers than that. If I was to use this yeast again, I would not add any cane sugar or even ramp the temps as I don't think this yeast really needs either of those things to do its job well. I have never really gotten much earthiness/rusticness from 3711 as I do from 3724 even with the temp increase. Just my experiences though and maybe you will.


I haven't. I know people who have. It's certainly different than 3724. I prefer the flavor character of 3724, but that yeast needs some extended warm aging and is a PITA sometimes. I was looking for a brighter, ester and phenol profile for this beer. Perhaps rustic earthiness would have worked better with the darkness of it. I'll let you know how it turns out.
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Re: Belgian (Saison) yeast for 10th Levels

Sun May 09, 2010 9:01 pm

Krausen dropped. No visible activity but might be attenuating some more. 1.080 to 1.008. Got a nice spiciness. Dry character. No hot alcohol. Could use a tad more bitterness, but we'll see how it tastes carbed in a little bit.
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