Re: Should you oxygenate/aerate dry yeast?

Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:40 am

Couple comments...
Lots of talk about glucose, keep in mind that the sugars present in the wort are primarily going to be maltose, which is taken in by the yeast, then converted.

Glycolysis occurs in both aerobic and anaerobic respiration, but in anaerobic, its all that happens.

"The uptake of oxygen happens rapidly, with the yeast usually depleting wort oxygen levels within 30 minutes of inoculation." ~ White and Zainasheff
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Re: Should you oxygenate/aerate dry yeast?

Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:12 am

Crabtree effect kicks in at about 0.1-0.4 % glucose (depending on which text book you are reading) And basically every single wort has waaaaay more glucose than that.

That's the point.... Aerobic respiration, to all intents and purposes, just doesn't happen in a beer fermentation. There is either so much glucose around that it's repressed via crabtree, or by the time wort glucose levels have dropped to the point where there is less than 0.1% - there isn't any oxygen left to respire with.

The standard "dogma" of how a fermentation proceeds, is nothing more than a simplified and somewhat inaccurate model. Follow the model's logic and in most cases the resulting action will be the best one.... But if the object of the game isn't just to take the right action, but to actually understand at a deeper level what's going on... Then it stops being useful.

The reason I think it needed exploring in this thread, was because when people start talking about not needing to aerate your wort when you use dry yeast... That's one of the times when the standard model's logic starts to look a little patchy and people get confused. If people care enough to ask the question in the first place, perhaps they might also care enough, god help them, to wade through the slightly less simplistic and hopefully less inaccurate poppycock that we have been spouting in this thread.... And maybe they'll find something that helps them understand what's going on a little better - or at least make them glad that they don't care.
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Re: Should you oxygenate/aerate dry yeast?

Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:36 am

HAHHA... certainly went beyond the initial question didn't we...
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Re: Should you oxygenate/aerate dry yeast?

Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:23 am

The debates that go beyond the original question are typically what make this forum so useful. Thirstyboy and I both share the opinion that you should probably always aerate your wort but there are certainly situations where you CAN get away without doing it.

Our perception of why this is the right answer is what varies. I appreciate the spirited discussion. Trying to find where Jamil nails this question in the Yeast book but haven't quite had the illuminatory moment yet.
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Re: Should you oxygenate/aerate dry yeast?

Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:37 pm

I sent an e-mail to Brew Strong with this question at the time I posted it here, and got an automated reply. I know they've been doing marathon Q&A shows and I don't think I ever miss a show. I mean I've heard Q&A questions of stuff that had been previously explained there, but never this one. Or am I wrong? Have they ever directly addressed this issue? While there are some excellent replies here, I was hoping to hear Chris White's opinion in his and Jamil's book, but no, not there either.
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