Lagers and Lagering

Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:22 am

I brewed my 1st all grain and lager a week ago. 1.046 German Pils fermented at 52. I took a gravity reading today and it is at 1.012. The hydrometer sample tasted great. I was expecting sulpher, DMS or other flavors that go away during the lagering period. I am going to give it another week, fine with gelatin and then lager but if it tastes fine now is lagering necessary? I pitched Wyeast 2124 according to JZ's pitching rate calc.
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Re: Lagers and Lagering

Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:01 pm

Lagering is more to clear the beer more than anything. Most of the conditioning process should take place at your fermentation temperatures (50's) on the yeast cake. Lagering is used to make that beer nice, crystal clear, and crisp as well as rounding out the hops and malt flavors togehter. So, if you spent all this time already on making your first lager, then by all means brewstrong and let it lager for 4 wks and then drink an EXTREMELY tasty beer... :jnj
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Re: Lagers and Lagering

Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:50 am

You might want to raise this up to 60°F for a couple days before you crash to the mid 30°F for the lagering. And don't raise/lower quickly, few degrees each day.
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Re: Lagers and Lagering

Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:06 am

Sometimes lagering doesn't do much but sometimes it is just FM. It depends on the beer, how you managed the brew and a lot on the yeast strain. Many things go on during lagering including precipitation of yeast, protein globules, protein phenol complexes, calcium oxalate (and if you are in the stone club you really want that stuff gone), flavor maturation, reabsorbtion of diacetyl and scrubbing of "Jung Buket" (beer stench). It is this last which can be most dramatic. The beer is stinky week after week and then overnight (it seems) turns wonderful.

I just kegged a lager after a 7 weeks in the fermenter. It tasted so good I was taking from the fermenter while filling the kegs and put one of them on tap immediately. The family all loves the stuff. It is still quite hazy (about 120 NTU when initially poured, dropping to about half that after the bubbling dies down and some of the protein dissolves). A check under the microscope shows a fair number of yeast cells still in suspension. Interestingly enough these are all single or double cells i.e. ones that did not floculate.

Two days later turbidity is 94 at pour and half that about an hour later. Thus is all due to redissolved protein (chill haze) as agitating the sample at an hour doesn't increase the turbidity. Yeast haven't had time to settle. The protein, of course, will stay in suspension in the lagering cooler until it eventually (the particles are much smaller than yeast cells) settles out.

Bottom line is that while the beer is very good now it is likely to be much better after a couple of weeks of lagering. Aroma has turned in a day or two. Haze and protein are going to take a while to settle and flavor is going to get even better. There is a tiny rough edge to this beer that will go.

You can expect the same. While it is good now it will very probably be even better in a couple of weeks and even potentiallu keep improving for months. The trick, of course, is to have enough lager in the queue that you are never drinking young beer.
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Re: Lagers and Lagering

Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:15 pm

If the only things left to fix are suspended yeast and chill haze, would the same end be reached in an hour by filtering as opposed to weeks of settling?
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Re: Lagers and Lagering

Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:33 pm

No. Flavor maturation, scrubbing of volatiles, melding of gas and beer, reabsorbtion of diacetyl and acetaldehyde would not have the time to complete. That said, you can be sure that the big boys have spent thousands of hours researching ways to shorten lagering times. Centrifugation is one of these. Pitching at high temperature is another. Bringing the wort or beer to near freezing and pulling out some slush is a third. Some of the big breweries put out regular lagers with a week in the lagering tank but their premiums gets 2. And these are pretty smooth beers. But they are not, IMO, as good as a fully lagered, triple decocted, all malt beer made in the old way. I would probably refuse to participate in a triangle test to check my assertions for fear it might give the wrong answer.
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