One phone line blues

[Lufah]

I wanted to call and argue with Jon on the last show and couldn't because the guest was on there. Sucks. Still think Jon was wrong tho. I know that another phone line is probably low on the priority list, I jsut wanted to vent

Travis

[KrOtChRoTT]

yeah.. but i still think they have the seperate phone line. I could be wrong about that however. If it does still exist, it wouldn't have been toll free, but you couldve gotten thru. I think they just forgot to give it out.

[Lufah]

I think Jon is afraid to defend his position. One phone line is just an excuse for him to hide behind. Fly spargers are all the same.


./flameon

Travis

[BrewcasterPlise]

Let it out Lufah...talk to me...let go...trust your feelings...

I answered the question based on what the chat had asked what I thought was a more effiecient mash assembly. I stand by what I said, with a false bottom you draw from 100's of different holes/slots in a screen, that allow you to collect from all of the grain bed., more surface area is used while sparging.

Wether you batch sparge, or fly sparge definitely plays a a huge role in the effieciency of your system too. The length you sparge has a huge impact on how much residual sugar you leave behind too. All in all their are a lot of variables with the mash. We could talk for hours about this too...

I know a lot of brewers that use the copper coil method in their mashtuns, and they make fine beer, plus they have learned to maximize their mashtun. Can I truly support which one is better...no. Everybody's process, mash temperatures, sparge temperatures affect everything in the brew haus.

One thing, I thought was informative for both your sake and mine, was what Eric was talking about, with the width of the mash tun playing a role in the efficiency of your system. That definitely is another variable. I believe you use a wide gott cooler for your mashtun, and I use a polarware 15gal mashun. You and I, should do an experiment with our brew systems...what do you think about calloborating on a recipe and brewing the same day, and calculating out our temps, efficiency etc. ?

I am glad that you disagree with me, makes for an interesting conversation. Cheers friend!

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Didn't Doc mention the same thing about a shallow lauter tun on the Pyramid show? I could be wrong, and this barleywine is kicking my ass. I'll be a nice guy and send a bottle your way, Jon. Too bad Justin will probably drink it. No, it's not my beer, but hopefully it is from a brewing company that'll someday make it on the show.

Later.

- drunken joe

[Lufah]

Justin always catches so much hell I thought it was your turn.

Anyway this is the discussion that I was wanting. I batch sparge with a 50quart rectangular cooler and an SS braid. I get about 75-80% efficiency from this system.

I agree with you that the false bottom would be best if you were fly sparging. I just don’t see how it would make any difference at all with batch sparging. You are rinsing the sugars from the grain as it drains with fly sparging. With batch sparging you are getting as much of the sugar into solution as you can and then draining quickly. It seems to me that with BSing all the false bottom/manifold/ss braid or whatever is there for is so you don’t pull grain into the kettle.

How about a board brew? Everybody post their equipment and all details from their brewday.

Oh and it’s not so much that I think you wrong (it’s fun to tell you tho 0 as that there are a lot of variables to discuss.

Prost

Travis

[seanhagerty]

To do this right you would have to have one mill crush all the grain for your brews on different systems.

pH would have to be stabilized at 5.2 for all

Temps would have to be hit reasonably close

Grains need to be from the same bag if possible.

You want to narrow it down to where the only variable would have to be the Mash tun.

What other variables do you need to think of?

I'm in. give me the recipe

Sean

[Lufah]

Your right. We could all buy the grain from B3 and have it shipped to us. That way Jon can pull it all from the same bags and the crush would be the same.

Travis